tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5931672813810517649.post3642242767824239213..comments2023-05-16T01:54:06.346-07:00Comments on Zo Kwe Zo: Power of the PeopleZo Kwe Zohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11009268051282300971noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5931672813810517649.post-43970908635166183022008-11-21T08:44:00.000-08:002008-11-21T08:44:00.000-08:00"I completely understand..."Let's file that under,..."I completely understand..."<BR/><BR/>Let's file that under, "Things Mormons (and everyone else, too) need to stop saying."Scott B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16593061586064953262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5931672813810517649.post-58478478253277203632008-11-19T13:00:00.000-08:002008-11-19T13:00:00.000-08:00Mike Huckabee, former Arkansas Governer and Presid...Mike Huckabee, former Arkansas Governer and Presidential aspirant, adds <A HREF="http://www.towleroad.com/2008/11/huckabee-gays-n.html" REL="nofollow">one more condition</A> to being a "people": You need to be the victim of institutionalized and chronic physical violence.<BR/><BR/>If we can substitute "mental" for "physical" in the above prerequisite, I think we can easily meet Huckabee's condition. Gays' self-esteem is put through the meat grinder during puberty and adolescence, and the pain lasts a lot longer than dog bites and cracked skulls, especially as the damage is inflicted by loved ones as well as strangers.<BR/><BR/>I am glad at least that a major Christian Evangelical has at last revealed the roadmap by which gays will eventually be accepted by the New Evangelicals: we just need to get knocked around a little harder until people feel sufficiently sorry for us. I'm not sure I see God's hand in this plan, but it's a start, anyway!Zo Kwe Zohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11009268051282300971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5931672813810517649.post-15045804207617573982008-11-18T09:22:00.000-08:002008-11-18T09:22:00.000-08:00@ Natasha,Thank you for your condolances. But of c...@ Natasha,<BR/><BR/>Thank you for your condolances. But of course you can imagine the grief. If your husband died, you would feel similar to me. After a few years, you would pick up the pieces and move on. There is nothing particularly special about my experience (except to me).<BR/><BR/>What can I say? I <A HREF="http://www.becomingsomething.com/2008/11/gay-marriage-and-gay-mormons.html" REL="nofollow">read</A> <A HREF="http://www.becomingsomething.com/2008/11/gay-marriage-prop-8-aftermath.html" REL="nofollow">all</A> <A HREF="http://www.becomingsomething.com/2008/11/part-iii-apparently-gay-marriage-and-mormons-and-now-im-done.html" REL="nofollow">three</A> of your posts on gay marriage and decided not to add my own comments there. We do not overlap enough to have a fruitful dialog. I normally do not run away from a discussion, so here are just a couple of the showstoppers:<BR/><BR/><I>I believe the prophet of God has more insight into the future than we do.</I><BR/><BR/>Brava. You have abdicated your own right and duty to think for yourself. Clearly, it is President Monson I should be talking with, and he will tell you what to think in due course.<BR/><BR/><I>Having a bad relationship with either parent, having a non-present parent (ex. deadbeat dad) or being sexually abused as a child, can all play a role. This is the case with every gay person I know, except one.</I><BR/><BR/>Then you don't get out much. Maybe you should stick to writing about things you do know.<BR/><BR/><I>I do not think that homosexuality is disgusting. I completely understand it, more than you know.</I><BR/><BR/>And I do not think that heterosexuality is disgusting. It is amazing that you as a non-gay person understand homosexuality completely, though, when sexuality in general is a mystery to me.<BR/><BR/><I>Like I said in Part II: We have to agree to disagree.</I><BR/><BR/>No, we don't. We will never agree to less than what we deserve. I'm afraid your people and my people will continue to have an ongoing active disagreement until we prevail. No peace without justice.<BR/><BR/>Mormons paid for Prop. 8 at a <I>per capita</I> rate about 100 times higher than any other identifiable religious group. Given the high level of compliance to Church orders, I do not believe this was voluntary. The Prophet spoke, and you obeyed. Your church's hands are stained with the green ink of those bills.<BR/><BR/>If the above sounds too harsh and dismissive, let me soften it a little:<BR/><BR/>I get that you sincerely want to sympathize with gays, but (with all due respect), you are 20 years too late. Sympathy we needed in the AIDS epidemic. Tolerance we wanted in the 90's. Now we have moved on to complete and total equality under the law. If you cannot acquiesce to that, then I'm afraid your sentiment will be falling on inured ears. No one expected your support. No one cares why you can't give it.<BR/><BR/>And thanks again for taking the time to read my blog and comment on it. I always appreciate that. Thanks too for the link to that No on 8 video. I had been looking for that to post on my blog too!Zo Kwe Zohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11009268051282300971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5931672813810517649.post-71685555053539284612008-11-18T07:56:00.000-08:002008-11-18T07:56:00.000-08:00I agree that it has become trendy to have a gay fr...I agree that it has become trendy to have a gay friend or family member but that when it comes down to really wanting to understand the heart of a gay person, most people are not up to the task.<BR/><BR/>I wonder what you'd think about my collection of three posts on gay marriage.... Hmm.<BR/><BR/>Very sorry to hear about burying your husband. I can imagine the grief. I can't imagine how it would change a person.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5931672813810517649.post-87408506725649133042008-11-13T05:49:00.000-08:002008-11-13T05:49:00.000-08:00Really well said.Really well said.bjkeefehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10967912817595826059noreply@blogger.com